i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.
it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.
its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.
Listener
These are amazing ladies. Even though they are over 70 years of age all 11 manage to get together at your mums place and in the morning.
Unfortunately, and it saddens me to know that probably in the next 7 years most if not all of these ladies will not be alive. This really bothers me and I just remembered why I hate posting these experiences, because it reminds me that very soon I won't see them anymore. Hell I hate that. We were suppose to live forever and not die.
i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.
it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.
its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.
Unfortunately these old ladies are the ones most likely to stay because of all the time and friendships they have invested in the org.
I agree, but think of the assets that will not go to the WT. All of them have their houses paid and who knows how much money they have stashed.
i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.
it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.
its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.
cappytan
Plausible.
i really really really want your stories to be true.
all my family is gushing about the "historic" occasion.
You know I understand, my closest JW friends and my wife, I could not help to wake up no matter what I tried. I sat with them for hours and showed them from the Bible and from the WT publications that 607 was the wrong date. And I'm a pretty good instructor. I was the School overseer for years, pioneered for years, talks in conventions for years, and after I got my degree, I was a sub teacher in High school and grade school for a few years. But none of that helped.You can't wake people up, they have to wake themselves up first, then you can help them.
I don't try to wake up JWs anymore. I let them live in their little fantasy. It's better for me and if that makes them happy-----
i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.
it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.
its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.
I wanted to post this because many JWs are waking up, NOT because of the internet or apostate material, but just because of the Extreme changes the Organization is implementing. It's just to extreme. It's causing them to take a close look at the GB and they are realizing that they are just MEN.
For the young JWs, the changes are getting to embarrassing. Some young ones (20s-30s year old) have mentioned to me that they wish, the Governing Body would have never come out in JW BROADCASTING because it kind of ruined everything, that is-- the idea that they were specially chosen by Jehovah, is just hard to believe anymore.
elderINewton
John firstly it's great to hear you.
Thanks, I've been busy caring for my mom who will be 90 in a few months. So I don't have time to visit anymore. But I will stop from time to time.
i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.
it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.
its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.
I wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning. It is regarding the new format for the meeting on Thursdays in my area. It’s not word for word but I’m summarizing what I heard, the best I can remember. I had told my mom a few months back that the Theocratic school was going to be removed and she told some of her friends. They asked her where she heard that and she told them, “From my son”
Well none of them believed her, and one in particular told my mom that since her son left Jehovah’s organization, God’s spirit was not with him anymore. She even went as far as telling my mom that probably Satan had entered my brain and was giving me delusional thoughts. My mom told her, “I not sure about that, my son was the only one of the entire elder bodies, in all the congregations that meet in our building, that went to college, and he graduated with honors. So the sister tells my mom; “Well there you go, that explains it, we been warned that Satan runs all the Universities, only Satan would honor him.” All the other friends of my mom just kept quiet and didn’t agree or disagree. Well this was several months back.
Now what’s interesting is that they had seen some of the videos explaining the new format, but they still didn’t get it. They kept insisting that the Theocratic school was not going to change. So last night they had the new format. After the meeting my mom went to the sister that kept insisting that the Theocratic School was not going to change and told her; “See, I told you it was going to change” The Sister would not accept it. She told my mom; “It’s not going to change, this is just a little demonstration, everything will go back to normal when the brothers feel it’s time.” So I’m not sure how to explain this except that perhaps that the Sister is in some type of denial. So my mom told me that she’s just dropping the whole thing because the sister looks like she about to lose it.
Anyway this
morning I was at my mom’s and the doorbell rings. All these sisters--- eleven
of them stopped by. (Not the over righteous one) I believe the youngest is in
her late 70s the oldest is 93 or 96, not quite sure because they were messing
with me all morning. All of these sisters are singled, widowed or
divorced. Some have been JWs longer than I’ve been alive. I made them coffee
and drove to the nearest bakery and bought them a bunch of goodies. After I prepared
a little plate with coffee and something sweet, and they are all relaxed, they
start messing with me. They keep calling me, “You cute young man, you whipper snapper,
you tasty morsel” I’m like; WTF. Now it seems strange to me because I’m 60+
years old. But then again they are mostly in their 80s and 90s, so I guess it’s
like a group of 50 year old men cat-calling a 20 year old girl. Then they want
to set me up with some of the single sisters in the Kingdom Hall. They start
naming off some of the sisters that are always asking for me to see if I’m
seeing anyone or if I’ve gotten married, which I’m kind of surprise when they
mentioned some names, because I never would have imagine some of them that I actually
know, were even interested in me. Some of these girls I held in my arms when
they were born and I was in my late 20s. One of the ladies asks me if I like long
legs---and I’m like, WTH. She starts telling me about this sister that just
turned 30 and saw my picture and wants to meet me, and holy freaking hell, what
does she do? She pulls out a picture of this sister sitting in the Kingdom hall
with her dress slightly above her knee.
Holy freaking hell, they are pimping me out. There’s a lot of other hilarious stuff that happened and I have to say it is quite a tempting lure to pull me back to the kingdom hall, but I think I will pass. (The picture of the long legs of the 30 year old really got to me) Now I know why Israel fell to Moab right before the promise land.
Finally after a while I excused myself and go to the kitchen with my coffee and just listened. Then one sister makes the comment; “So what do you all think about the meeting last night?” Then everyone jumps in, “Something is not right” another; “What wrong with Jehovah’s organization?” another; “Is it possible that the organization has lost Jehovah’s spirit?”
Comment after comment, for over an hour, all the sisters are brainstorming to try to figure out what’s happening in the organization. They are not mad at the organization, but they have strong feelings that something is not right and that perhaps Jehovah has left the organization.
They started comparing ancient Jerusalem and how they had the temple, the priests; the Kings appointed by Jehovah but had lost God’s favor. They started talking about false prophets infiltrating the organization at the Top. I mean they are actually brainstorming to see if they can figure out why the organization is changing to the worse.
Now something to keep in mind is that all these sisters do not use the internet or have IPads. They have no input from any apostate material in any form. Yet they can see that something is not right with the organization.
And they mentioned others in the hall that have been feeling the same way. In fact they had two regular pioneer sisters that had been pioneering for over 10 years turn in their resignation two weeks ago to the service overseer. No explanation to the elder and did not want to sit with the body of elders to discussed it. One of the pioneer sisters had mentioned it to this particular sister relating the experience, that; “She just can’t do it anymore because it doesn’t feel like Jehovah’s organization anymore.”
One of the older sisters even confessed that she was starting to feel regrets and was having nightmares that perhaps she made a big mistake when she was a young girl. She divorced her husband in 1976 because she felt he was an apostate for saying the Watchtower organization was a group of false prophets because the end didn’t come in 1975. She never found a brother who was interested in marriage and remained single the rest of her life. Her ex-husband went on to get married, have children, and grandchildren, and a great life, and the end of the wicked system never came.
Then they started talking that it’s not even worth it to go through all the hard work of getting ready and go to the meeting on Thursdays. It’s just not worth it anymore, there is nothing spiritual. It’s not even worth listening on the telephone hookup.
Then one of the sisters said, that ever since the overlapping generation crap, (and yes she did say CRAP) that she decided it was time to change her will. And she did, she removed the Watchtower and instead left her home and her savings to her grandchildren. She went on to relate that her grandchildren never became Jehovah’s Witness but they are good kids and they are Blood. She said, “The Organization doesn’t deserve my money anymore.” She told all the sisters that they should think about doing that because the Watchtower promised that we wouldn’t get old and they lied and have changed the idea to overlapping generations.
They don’t deserve our money anymore. Then
all the other sisters started agreeing that it’s time to start reviewing their
Will and start making changes. One of the older sisters made the comment; “Sisters,
we need to do this right away because we can die at any moment, it would be a
shame if we died and didn’t leave our assets to our blood.” They all agreed to
call their lawyers next week.
They didn’t express anger to the Watchtower, but they expressed a lot of uncertainty, doubt, and uneasiness with the way the organization was headed. They expressed that they are kind of tired of living a life like they have lived the past several years, that is going to tons of meetings, field service, conventions, waiting for the end but the end always right around the corner.
Right before they left, one of the last things I heard one of them say was;
“What if we’ve been wrong all this time?
last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
Brokeback Watchtower
One nice thing about going completely digital would be you could miss meeting or watch them when you got the time soon everyone will not even watch them as they have no elders to police them and then the so called truth will fade into obscurity.
If I was still in the organization and this change came about, I would definitely go for it. I could still live in my fantasy world of living forever and not worry about getting disfellowsipped or taking blood. Plus I could keep all my friends. What more can a JW ask for?
I would definitely buy into it - hook, line & sinker
last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
Ignoranceisbliss
John, I so love your stories but the vast majority of them ping my BS meter. I don't know why someone would make up crazy stories like this but I have a hard time believing them. If this is real. WOW!!! If it's fake, you should begin writing novels because you have one hell of an imagination.
last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
nicolaou
Did this really happen?
Yes N.
Of course it's just a small group of Jws, and not representative of the entire jw world.
But I would venture to say that most jws deep down inside feel the same way but won't admit it publicly unless they are in a non-threatening environment and relaxed. With the exception of older ones who invested all their lives in the organization. (sunk cost fallacy)
last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
Giordano
My reaction is.....WOW. In that setting no one raised an objection? No one defended the meetings?
Well the old guy and his wife did try to object, (Probably in their 70s) but the young teenage kids shut them up pretty quickly.
last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
Last night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attending—elders and regular pioneers. There was beer and later some music. Everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers. Movies like Jurassic park, iron man, predator vs alien, all those movies with violence------ but it’s okay.
When I saw everyone in a merry mood, I asked the question;
“Hey, what would you guys think if the Society decided to go all tech and get rid of all the Kingdom Halls and everyone just listened to all the meetings and conventions on video, internet or TV?”
It got real quite!!!!-------
I thought I was in trouble---------------
then---------
Everyone started----------------------------“Hell ya”
They started voicing their thoughts on how great it would be not to have to go to all the meetings, no traveling far for conventions.
Then they went beyond what I had asked.
And it brought a smile to my face.
They continued with the idea that perhaps in the future, field service would involve internet, and email witnessing and no more door to door. You should of seen the evil grins.
But why stop there. One elder blurts out; “No judicial committees, no disfellowshipping”
Then one sister blurts out, “Every type of conduct would be between Jehovah and the individual.
One brother blurts out; “No more elders, no more elders meetings, no CO hectic week”
One young kid jumps in and says; “No Bethel service and No regular pioneering”
One old sister and her old husband jumps in with a serious frown on his face and asks the question; “Yea but how would we baptized new ones?”
A bunch of teenagers shout; “ Home baptism.”
And it just went on and on…………They kept up the conversation for about an hour.
And to my surprise they worked out the details better than we would have here on this site.
Would it work?
Well I did some research and found out that there are several fundamental religious evangelists who have been very successful at making money via social network, internet, and TV. Even non-Christian extremist are successful in recruiting for their cause.
So think about the idea of a paradise earth with no death, getting young again, a resurrection, no war, sickness, animals at peace, and all you have to do is watch videos and read a few magazines and Donate. That’s it!
Is it possible the Watchtower is headed that way? With all the Bethel layoffs, less printing, magazines even being cancelled in some countries, very few Kingdom Halls being constructed.
And they wouldn’t have to worry anymore about any more child sexual abuse lawsuits.
I think we got a winner!
